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Authenticating the Qur’an
21 November 2008 12:36pm
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  [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
Robert ian Williams - 21 November 2008 07:05 AM

But how do you know the Bible is true and that the books in it are the Word of God, Alan?

Do you follow the Mormon idea about the Book of Mormon that a spiritual experience as an answer to prayer will tell you of its truth?

I know that the Bible is true because Christ established not a religion of the Book, like Muhammed but a teaching and living Church , stamped with infallibility...which tells me that it is true and infallible.

“ Go ye therefore into all the world, teaching and baptizing ......and lo I am with you even unto the end of the age. ”

Why does the chain of authority have to run

Christ -> Church -> Bible

when it could more simply run

Christ -> Bible?

   
21 November 2008 1:05pm
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  [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]

Who else would be able to interpret the bible correctly?

   
21 November 2008 3:04pm
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  [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]

Sebastian,

I too am a serious seeker of the Truth.  I want to know about God for he is a faithful and mighty God worthy of worship and praise.

One issue I have is sin, for it is an offence to a holy, just and mighty God. 

God is merciful but he is also just and can not let sin go unpunished.  Can you let me know the answers to two questions:-

Who created sin?
How does the Qu’ran tell us to deal with sin, how can we be made right with God?

   
21 November 2008 6:17pm
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  [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]

Lets not sidetrack......but Christ before he ascended to Heaven did not deposit a book. He commissioned a teaching Church..  reflective of his infallibility......who would write ( under the inspiration of God ) , sift and colllate ( over several centuries) the New Testament and stamp it with Divine authenticity.

That is why Sydney Anglicans have the Epistle tio the Hebrews and not the Epistle of Barnabas.

In both Mormonism...and Islam, Moroni and Gabriel give the respective prophets the sacred record.

How incredible that 600 and 1800 years before Islama nd Mormonism, St Paul warned of this in his Epistle to the Galatians.

   
21 November 2008 6:18pm
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  [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]

Praise be to God.

Tim, this is a reply to the question about sin. God obviously knows better than me about it, but I will try to give a brief outline of sin as I understand it, and if the Qur’an says anything other than what I say, please take the quranic teaching, not my error.

As I understand it, sin, by itself, doesn’t lead to punishment, for God is merciful. Rather, sin leads to trial, and regret, and then repentance is required. If there is no repentance, then sin must eventually be a cause of retribution. Divine justice requires this. Adam learned repentance from God.

God is the forgiver of sin. Most sins require repentance to get forgiveness, although others are forgiven without repentance. Some sins are minor and will be forgiven by simply being good, without particular repentance.

All sins are capable of being forgiven, with the exception of wilful paganism or polytheism committed after proper knowledge of God is established by that person. That is to say that shirk (association of partners in the Godhead, division of the Godhead, ascribing divinity to created things, etc.) is forgiven if done in ignorance but not if done wilfully.

There are certain sins which require hadd punishment, that is prescribed punishment given by God through revelation. These are theft (if repeat offender), fornication, adultery, murder, manslaughter, etc. These are judged administered by religious courts, and the punishments include capital punishment, fasting a certain number of days, expiation by feeding of a certain number of needy people, and compensation money. God knows best.

As explained in the Qur’an, God has many names. In Arabic, ‘Gaffur’ is the Oft-forgiving, and ‘Raheem’ is the giver of mercy, so when Muslims repent they call on God by these names, and also Tawaab, which means the acceptor of repentance. Muslims do this because the Qur’an says to call on God by his names.

Sebastian

And, we understand that Adam sinned, because he disobeyed a command of God, and that all the children of Adam sin. All people sin, for no-one is perfect - only God is perfect - and all prophets make sins but they are forgiven because that is the destiny of the world and they have been chosen in that way. God knows best about the prophets, but for a Muslim it is not that a prophet is sinless - rather, they are chosen and they will receive God’s mercy. Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Mohammad all prayed to God for help. They are mortal, are human, they ate food, and they seek nearness to God.

   
21 November 2008 6:20pm
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  [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]

But Sebastian, the God of Islam has many titles, but he is not Father....

   
23 November 2008 6:15pm
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  [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]

Thanks Sebastian,

But I do not understand if one sin make a person unclean (eg the sin of Adam) how can a sinful man be made pure by his own efforts? White paint with one drop of black is no longer white no matter how much white you add. God is holy,merciful but just as wel how can sin go unpunished?

   
24 November 2008 9:17am
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  [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]

I reject the Qu’ran as I also reject Mohammad as being God’s Prophet.

This link Muhammad’s False Prophecies gives detailed instances and examples of Mohammad’s false claims.

The Holy Bible gives us a test to determine a true prophet from a false one:
“But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death. You may say to yourselves, ‘How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?’ If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.” Deuteronomy 18:20-22

The link then studies various instances of errors by Mohammad, which are clear errors, and comes to this conclusion:

We have examined both the Quran and the Islamic traditions and found that both sources contain false predictions. In light of the prophetic criteria given by God in Deuteronomy 18 we discover that Muhammad fails this test. This means that Muhammad is neither a true prophet nor is he the prophet like Moses.

I invite Muslims to counter the arguments given in the link.

If Mohammad is not credible, the Qu’ran is not credible, the facts speak for themselves.

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Our Father in heaven, hallowed is your name

   
24 November 2008 6:19pm
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  [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]

I am entirely in agreement with Ken!

   
28 November 2008 5:47pm
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  [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
Sheldon Ryan - 21 November 2008 01:05 PM

Who else would be able to interpret the bible correctly?

Sheldon

Not sure why you put this question here.  I’m not answering this to you personally but generally to anyone readin this thread.  I would like to point out the following.

Christians believe in a Triune God so the Holy Spirit is of course the one who the Bible says is able to reveal it’s truths to us accurately because He is part of the Godhead.

JN 14:25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

OK back to your discussion .....

   
28 November 2008 8:22pm
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  [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]

Sorry I was being sacastic. I asumed thats how Rod would of answered the post above mine.

   
   
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