Victims of any clergy are on their own I guess....obvious by the silence.
I guess all our christian communities are all the same .....I see the same behaviour on the freeway after a car accident.
Don’t get involved but you just have to look hey!

......any victims reading this can be sure they will find support within Helen Lasts group of survivors.....give Helen a ring/email and you won’t be sorry.
http://www.igfa.com.au/

Michael Scull - 15 October 2008 09:42 AM

Victims of any clergy are on their own I guess....obvious by the silence.

Hi Michael,

I’ve seen a lot of discussion on this thread. Certainly no ‘silence’. Unless you’re referring to specific issues raised in the thread?

What action would you like to see taken on this thread?

Regards,
Andrew

from the first post of this thread.
“ I wonder how our churches can better help those who have been abused, whilst ensuring that those responsible are called to account? “

I haven’t seen any advise or help offered other than “trust in the Lord”
and what a joke that is.

Lots of talk but never anything that would make a difference.  The police have finally stopped treating the superiors of the churchs as ‘honest folk’ ......I see Bathurst police aren’t taking crap from the chiefs this time.

If you met me you would slam me into that bogan category ......possibly a hippybogan looser.
heehheeeheheheheeee .....thank christ I found myself here and not out with the blind yuppies of this world.

I don’t have an investment house but I own mine....I don’t have superannuation (well $2,300 in total) .....I don’t have shares (heheheheeee)
But with no education I can see what a screwup this society is anyway....
Can’t even balance the books.....at least I am doing that in my own personal life and have no credit cards nor debt ....nor do my kids and their familys as they all started with land I bought them.
Worlds going to shit in a hand basket around me and I’m supposed to be the dumb one!!!! ......thank gawd I didn’t get past year 7

If this was a discussion on muslim paedophiles it would be quite different story also ........so many things wrong that my little blip on the radar screen doesn’t even rate a mention........ and I see most of these problems and issues come from all you guys with your imaginary friends.....all leads back to Moses and his women problems in my opinion.
If you belted that whole scenario through the family court it would be interesting to see who ended up with what.
Isaac and Isiah wasn’t it?....those two lads got catch in the middle of it hey? .......know the feeling heheheeee
Isiahs mum was a piece of work hey? heheheeee .....no paedopjhile priest would have got his end in there without wearing mums wrath heheheeee

anyway.....
and that’s where the problem lays .....all stems from loonies with imaginary friends ;)

only way I can see it I’m afraid :( ........and it’s rampant! :(

I think the moderator of this posting should close it down..it is most unedifying.

I wish I could enlighten you Robert as to how being treated as flotsam by the community can effect your thinking.
I’m a product of something that has been swept under the rug too long.
...but as you do...sweep it under the rug as usual.

Michael Scull - 17 October 2008 08:32 AM

I haven’t seen any advise or help offered other than “trust in the Lord”
and what a joke that is.

anyway.....
and that’s where the problem lays .....all stems from loonies with imaginary friends ;)


only way I can see it I’m afraid :( ........and it’s rampant! :(

Thank you for your post, Michael. Yes, I think for some, in some ways, God is like a child’s invisible friend. In his excellent book, The Courage To Be, Paul Tillich wrote of the courage to face life’s realities as ‘rooted in the God who appears when God has disappeared in the anxiety of doubt’.

In other words, there can be a depth beyond superstition that informs people when they advise one to “trust in the Lord”. They might be just referring to a rosy idea in their heads, but they might be tapping water from a deeper well which ultimately words fail to convey.

An overwhelming anxiety I felt through my trauma and grief was that of invisibility. As many of our Christian icons attest, our existence is held through the eyes of others. But my wife, whom I entrusted to see me as I saw her, turned her face away, initially distorting my image, and then not seeing me at all. (A very common grief experience, I expect, in this age plagued by non-committed marriage committments).

A close friend of mine who was raped was further traumatised by her realisation of invisibilty to the police and court authorities, whom, she believed, were entrusted with ‘seeing’ her.

So, to whom do I turn to see me? Were I to say, as you may expect, ‘God’, you could justly accuse me of bringing in my invisible friend. But, God’s seeing is not like someone else’s seeing, God’s seeing is the fact that seeing is happening at all, incarnated as my seeing (and the seeing of everything else). He sees, not from afar, but intimately, by being. Even though I am alone in this room in front of this computer, I am still being seen through my own seeing; it is the channel of compassion and grace. But the ‘my’ in the previous sentence is redundant: it is not separate from the seeing. I am the seeing, or, probably better put, the seeing is all there is. This, to me, is an aspect of the God in whom we ‘live, move and have our being’.

I’m sorry I can’t explain it better, but while I might be invisible to ‘her’ or ‘them’, I remain forever an ocean of light.

Eric.

The sexual abuse issue is in the paper again.

The Vincentians are cooperating with police enquiries.

I happen to know the survivor who started this Stannies investigation and he should be getting Aussie of the Year for his efforts over the many many years. Tor is the bloke who is the one person who has persisted through thick and thin to get his voice heard. Tor is the person noted in that article ....he was found to be delusional by the Vincencian investigation who at the time were protected by all. The shrinks found Tor to be ‘making up stories’ and locked him up in an institution for a few years to “get his head right”

Tors accusations have now been found to be CORRECT and Tors hoping to have the shrinks locked up also for a conspiracy with these Vincentians. He’s already started the action against them and everyone one else involved in the original investigation/conspiracy. (he was falsely found to be crazy and locked up by the catholic doctors ,,,,you can read it all on his site. Tor Neilsen about Stanislaus College)

Professor Patrick Parkinson, of the Faculty of Law at Sydney University is doing an assessment of the Catholics National Committee for Professional Standards Towards Healing Everyone who went through Towards Healing is suppose to get an invite to write a review.  I, like everyone else I know, found out on the grapevine.
http://members.bordernet.com.au/~mscull/TWH revision covering letter Nov.20.rtf
my support org sent it to me
http://members.bordernet.com.au/~mscull/from broken rites.doc
I rang TWH (Towards Healing, Syd) and was handed to Sister Angela Ryan (seems to be the captain in all this) to whom I explained I haven’t the heart left nor the education to write this story down anymore ....and asked for a scribe (which I said I will pay for).  Angela agrees it’s a good idea and said they will contact me shortly.  I’ve had dealings with her before and she has always been very sincere but I recall how sad she was when she first heard about how the salesians and others had deceived me in my two Towards Healing mediation attempts.
In both cases I found out in the middle of the mediation they were deceiving me (in earlier text....can’t be bothered....most aren’t listening)

Tis a crap situation the Fathers have gotten the catholic church into. Angela is the one who coined the phrase I use often ’but no-one can control the Fathers :(

I mentioned I’d been speaking with Chris Riley (fellow student of Rupertswood) and she went very quiet on me and reckoned Chris wasn’t very co-operative with them (the church I guess she meant) but I insisted Chris was doing more for victims and just generally than all the rest of the church put together .....she sort of agreed heheheeee
She’s OK ;) ....I do like her for her sincerity......she’s just the usual misled dogooder.
Angela I think is like my mum was....my mum got a life membership/whatever for being president of the Womens Aux at Our Ladys Wattle Park for her 15 years as president. We had church functions in the backyard....Dad (who never went to church .....he was a Changi POW and came back without a god) had chairs for functions and tents and equipment/spinning wheels etc Catholic basic stuff .....and built a barbacue and enclosed bar for bigger functions which we had all the time at our place)
Old man died of his war injuries in 1963 and Mum sent me to Rupertswood boarding school.
Rest is history.
Angelas just one of these women used up by these catholic fathers .....sorry but I’ve seen it all my life.  Makes me sick to see it in this day and age.
Angela was there and knew what happened when the Salesians hide Klep and Ayers in Samoa and were sneaking them back and forth to australia. I talk with her then ...and hence the phrase ’but no-one can control the Fathers :( ....she could do nothing and she was in charge at the time too.
The Towards Healing meeting I had earlier this year when they sent me the investigator who denied paedophile priest Ridsdale had ever been in Inglewood parish was also within her knowledge, I just found out. Since I sent the investigator away to get his facts straight!! I haven’t heard from them, other than 4 “Towards Healing” kits and an acknowledgement that I was correct.......but no further discussion once they knew they had a problem with more victims around here.
Just all crap and really no where to go but this stupid review.

sorry about the rave but am just so sick of these guys getting away with this!!

Further to story of Gordon Changs earlier post
“"The sexual abuse issue is in the paper again.
The Vincentians are cooperating with police enquiries"”

Just talking with Tor Nielsen who is in court today.....he said he has found new vigour this morn.  Just hope he finds some justice today also.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/national/national/general/six-in-court-over-pedophile-allegations/1390612.aspx

....wonder where his support is in all this? ......this is the travesty that he stands on his own with only his mum by his side!

Everyone should read Tors story/struggle over 16 years to get heard (just google Tor Nielsen / Stanislaus ....and still he is a leper! :(

Further reports. Five Roman Catholic clergy from the one school.

The school my grandson attends now was tied to a similiar scandle
Fr. Murray Wilson of Catholic College Bendigo

all these incidents are so intertwined ....I’d suggest a royal commmission is still the only way to clear this up.

Just reading about the demise of a lot of threads and I thought best I say my goodbyes now before things disappear.

Hope I wasn’t a contributor to this slash and burn outcome .....sorry if I was :(

Thanks for putting up with me and allowing me to be heard........
I’m sitting here waitiing to hear back from S. Angela Ryan of the Catholic National Committee for Professional Standards. I’m suppose to be writing a review of the Towards Healing process for this Professor Patrick Parkinson (Syd Uni Faculty of Law)
......has to be in by the 15th january and still the scribe they promised me has not contacted me, nor have I heard back from the phone messages I left on their answering machines .......times running out.

Having a review declared a few weeks before xmas and a 15 jan dead line may seem a little ill timed.  (never would I suggest it though)

Any other victims/surviors of the catholic Towards Healing process need to have this review in by the 15th Jan 09 .....contact me if you need help/advise ...please feel free ;)

few things have happened since I posted last ...not least my meeting with the Towards Healing national head Sister Angela Ryan........this morning we had quite a good long chat over a few coffees.
things needed to move fast with this stupid 15th January deadlline and I must say that Angela made it happen.  Angela came to bendigo to see myself and my wife this morning.
She is sincere in her need to get this Towards Healing process tidied up and to make it work and do what it says.
She has no trouble believing what occurred to me at the hands of the salesian father either ...Angela was head of Victorias TWH when the Salesians ‘handled’ me .....she also applauded my own efforts in exposing the ratline to samoa and getting those two paedophile priests dealt with.
Basically I was satisfied that Angela is very interested in getting an effective review and even questioned me as to how i felt about the choice of Patrick Parkinson to do the reviewing. I suggested I could have come up with someone a little ‘less christian’ but generally I thought he had the clout and experience (from googling the guy) to do a fair job.
Angela came to my town herself to fulfill her earlier promise to ‘get me a scribe’ to write up the story of my dealings with TWH and the Salesians for this review.
.....and I truly thank her for putting herself out beyond the call to help me out. Angela has taken her notes back to Sydney and will be emailing me a copy soon for me to edit (or not) and send it on to Patrick Parkinsons office by the 15 january.

I’ll expand on this a little further before the fold of the thread so please feel free to ask me anything .....this post is also an invitation to others to follow my lead and get these reviews in ....a voice recording is a quick and easy way and will be accepted apparently.

After talking with Angela I have new found hope that some are trying to fix instead of mend the system .....and I see this review as the best conduit into this mire that is going at the moment.

We talked at length about no one having control of these orders of fathers even within the system of TowardsHealing and she has taken on board some of my suggestions about the process itself and some of these we discussed at length.
I really do think she and a few others are listening and wish to make a difference with this review.
Some of the Orders will be finding Towards Healing not as accommodating into this new year I’m hoping.
Few other things said which also cause me to feel sure she is trying her hardest. ......but cats are harder to catch again once out of the bag :)

Anyone can email me if they were after some contacts to assist or advise them.

Quote...Michael… from the first post of this thread. “ I wonder how our churches can better help those who have been abused, whilst ensuring that those responsible are called to account? “ I haven’t seen any advise or help offered other than “trust in the Lord” and what a joke that is……….Just reading about the demise of a lot of threads and I thought best I say my goodbyes now before things disappear. Hope I wasn’t a contributor to this slash and burn outcome .....sorry if I was :( …After talking with Angela I have new found hope that some are trying to fix instead of mend the system .....and I see this review as the best conduit into this mire that is going at the moment.
....Seems like a pick on Catholics.....John Storers copped it too......
Every church has a little sewerage in thier system....

Good on you Michael.......If you feel to leave the thread then you’ve left gracefully.....