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God, male/female or neither?
02 May 2008 5:24pm
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  [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]

Antoni Kodsi said:

That is like saying that the Ancient title “Theotokos” makes her greater than God. Most people think it means “Mother of God”, but it is more correctly understood as “bearer of God”. We always use words in Theology that needs to be understood properly, otherwise we get into a semantic argument like you are perpetuating.

I guess the thing that Catholics should understand is the Jesus is both man and God.
His father was God the creator, the true and living God. He is completely Holy.  God caused Mary to be with child through the Holy Spirit.

But Jesus had to be man in order to die as the perfect sacrifice in order to redeem us. His mother was from the line of mankind, from Adam, a creature which is sinful by nature. She was a normal human creature. She had to be in order that Jesus would be human too.

Jesus, who was without any sin, and who completely obeyed the Father in every facet of his life. No other human ever did this before or after Jesus.

We become acceptable to the Father because the Son, Jesus, has said that all who believe in him will receive eternal life. The reward that Jesus has received, we also will receive, eternal life in God’s Kingdom.

To pray to Mary or to invoke her, is idolatory. We are only to pray to God (through Jesus). Praying to any person is idolotry. We are to worship the creator, not the creature. (Romans 1)

Catholics do not seem to have been taught that basic principle in Holy Scripture. Instead men, priests, have said that Mary is without sin, and that she is in heaven, having gone through an assumption similar to Jesus, being given eternal life and a seat in heaven. This is despite the bible’s teaching that we all will sleep, after death, awaiting Jesus return and the final judgement in the future.

This is in contradicion to scripture. It is teaching which comes from pagan influences following Constantines Roman Church takeover. It is similar to the worship of the goddess Isis in effect. Pagan believers influenced the priests to have this type of worship, and it still remains uncorrected even today. In fact it is promoted as Roman Catholic dogma.

Mary is seen by many believers of the Catholic church as a type of goddess, despite the protestations and devious arguments of church apologists.

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02 May 2008 8:16pm
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  [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]

All true, Ken. Dunno about all that Isis stuff, but the rest seems fair enough.

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03 May 2008 12:58pm
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  [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]

All I will say is that I know Catholics, and I have not found that. But that may be because I believe that veneration, and that prayer is an ancient Christian tradition (even before the Ephesian Council), found even among the schismatics, such as the Arians today, the monophysites, the miaphysites, and the Constantinople Church. I think it would be equally right to assert that in the Reformation tradition, that any veneration seems like worship? That prayer is worship. That the Church is only the living people on Earth (as I understand it, sorry if this wrong), and that we are not in communion with the saints that have departed in the Eucharist? Anyway, we have went really far from the topic, probably because of me, so sorry guys. I guess I wanted to probe into your position, but I think I more or less put my ideas rather than meet with an understanding by questioning.

God bless.

   
03 May 2008 6:10pm
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  [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]

Mary, is she Isis?

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