No offence was intended. Rooty Hill is used as a bit of a byword for the working class western suburbs.

Hi Craig,

You’re right, I really should read the book to critically engage. But even from the review it seemed evident to me that this was the case. Roy is most obviously using evidential apologetics (in the review, he looks at the universe, the humand mind, and love among other things). Clearly evidential. Are these sufficient reasons in and of themselves to require belief in our God, the self-contained Trinity? Obviously not. Does not Aristotle use a similar methodology? Did he not arrive at a completely different god?
Evidences in and of themselves are worthless without the light of Scripture. Even the historical fact of the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ is worthless without the light of Scripture.
The evidential apologetic method seeks to argue without God’s revelation of Himself. It is like trying to prove the existence of the sun by pointing a flashlight in its direction.
Presuppositional apologetics, on the other hand, is very practical. It enables us to deconstruct other worldviews and expose their self-inconsistencies and utter folly. Positively, we invite fallen man to taste the Christian system of truth in the hope that God will give him eyes to see, and ears to hear.

Presuppositional apologetics, on the other hand, is very practical. It enables us to deconstruct other worldviews and expose their self-inconsistencies and utter folly. Positively, we invite fallen man to taste the Christian system of truth in the hope that God will give him eyes to see, and ears to hear.

The theory is great. But my observation is that its not that great in practice…

Craig, who in Australia is practicing presuppositional apologetics?

Craig Schwarze - 10 October 2008 12:22 AM

Rooty Hill is used as a bit of a byword for the working class western suburbs.

I have never heard that - maybe it’s the way inner-suburbans think. Or because I’m living in ‘south west’ Sydney. BTW what is the ‘byword’ for our area ?

Regarding the term “working class”, I know what it refers to - but ( thinking logically ) does that really mean that other parts of Sydney don’t work ? Or is it only a ‘put-down’ term from those who cling to an ( English style ) class system ?

I have mostly heard ‘blue-collar’ as a term for the ‘western suburbs’.  Besides, our ‘beloved’ Prime Minister has appealed to ‘working families’ a million times in the past year - so maybe we should all amend our speech ;)

Adam David Fuller - 10 October 2008 01:23 PM

Craig, who in Australia is practicing presuppositional apologetics?

A lot of people in reformed circles, I would imagine.

I’ve listened to quite a bit presuppositional argument on the Narrow Mind podcast - http://www.unchainedradio.com/new/index.php

Gill Evans - 09 October 2008 11:58 PM

not much use for Joe Truck Driver from Rooty Hill.

..no aspersions please, Craig, those of us living at Rooty Hill are very well educated...we have even heard of van Til.
Gill.

But can you drive a truck?

no, actually.  ha, ha ha....
Gill.