Leigh Hardwick - 27 September 2008 12:10 PM

Somewhat unrelated, but I guess this is why we pray for our leaders? Because when the head is rotting away, it fails to consider the body?

How do you get rid of archbishops? Do they have to die, or retire?

What was that movie quote again ? Oh yeah ..... “I see dead men walking.”

Milica posted these comments on the ‘dead horse’ thread of “Creationism and Evolution”. I have put them here in case anyone wants to read them and comment, otherwise, like myself, one would only discover them by accident - as they don’t pop up in our ‘current discussions’ list - and I still can’t recall how I happened to come across them :

Milica Cook
12 October 2008 11:12am

It astounds me that that many would GROAN at the fact that anyone would want to discuss part of the Bible described by this forum as “flogging a dead horse”.  Discussing and understanding how we are to interpret and understand any scripture wether is be creationism, the flood, the exodus or the death of our Lord on the Cross are all part of Believers/Christians grappling with God’s Word and God’s Truth.

Sorry if some of you are “soooo over it” and that this is a topic we’ve discussed so many times I can’t be bothered with taking it up with a Brother or Sister in Christ that at this piont in their faith need to get understanding on a topic deemed to be “dead and buried”.

Am I to understand some have forgotten what it says in 2 Tim 3:16 :-

“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” NIV

Persoanlly I have no problem with just accepting what the Bible has recorded in Genesis as the account of Creation.  I just accept all of God’s Word as Truth.  I have been reading the Creation Magaizine to get an understanding of where secular science has got it wrong. My hubby has gone further into the matter by reading secular science textbooks and other publications to find that even within the Science community there is a great dispute or division over Evolution and the Big Bang theory.

I hope that young Believers/Christians will at least understand that secular science has not been truthful in it’s teaching of it’s theories and that carbon dating and other methods of dating fossils etc are flawed.

Let’s hope that we mature Believer’s in Christ will always find time to share what we know happily with those who ask even if for us it is the One Thousandeth time we’ve been asked the same question.  That is what a school teacher endures year in and year out of his/her career, the same questions over and over again.  We as older borthers & sisters in Christ should be eager to share with and teach those who come to us on any topic in the Bible, that is part of our ministry and responsibility in the Body of Christ.

Milica

Milica Cook
12 October 2008 11:29am

One more thing, hasn’t anyone recently thought how strange that the Anglican Church in the UK have apologised for thier view against evolution (ie in believing in the Creation)?  In effect supporting Darwinism and making God’s Word fiction?  Also that this apology would come just before the World that has swallowed the lie of Evolution is about to celebrate 60 years of the this mis-represebted scientific theory, thaught to us as scientific fact?

Not to mention the Pope and Catholic church has recently done the same?

Why now after all these years would two main Church denominations give credebility to what even in the secular scientific community has not been accepted as FACT or proven as FACT.

I’m astonished.  One of the many indications that the world’s Chruches are becoming too liberal in their thinking.

JN 14:23 Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.


2TI 4:1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.

Well said, Milica.  It is sad that some people just want to be dismissive of certain issues just because they don’t se them as “important enough”, when there is obviously a great deal of interest and confusion out there supported by the very fact that the issue has become so controversial in the world generally.

Go girl! Well said.

I recently found a quote that deals wonderfully with the argument that Genesis was just a story written to refute the errors in the paganism of the time, not to refute the actual biological history of the world:

“...while it’s quite unlikely that Moses was thinking, “Take that, Darwin!” when he set pen to papyrus, it will turn out that by refuting Enuma Elish, Genesis also refutes Darwin, because Darwinism, at bottom, is nothing but Enuma Elish baptized in post-Enlightenment balloon juice. Anyone with Longman’s literary expertise ought to see this very clearly.

Enuma Elish says the world as we know it today was born in an orgy of chaos, sex, and death, and these three forces are the engine from which all life springs. Darwin explains that the various species arise from a combination of random mutation (chaos) and natural selection (sex and death). The big difference is that Darwin said it in a way that post-Enlightenment man wouldn’t laugh at. Hawking likewise has nothing to add that Enuma Elish hasn’t already offered to the world, only to have Genesis soundly refute it.”

So much for the Endarkenment.

Link: How Not To Read Genesis

Milica Cook
12 October 2008 11:12am
It astounds me that that many would GROAN at the fact that anyone would want to discuss part of the Bible described by this forum as “flogging a dead horse”.  Discussing and understanding how we are to interpret and understand any scripture wether is be creationism, the flood, the exodus or the death of our Lord on the Cross are all part of Believers/Christians grappling with God’s Word and God’s Truth.

Hi Milica

There are a number of reasons the moderators of these forums will ‘dead horse’ a thread.  They are far less likely to do so, incidentally, if there are NEW people making genuine enquiries about a topic.  But once it’s the same little group of people throwing the same arguments back and forth without any apparent likelihood of anyone modifying their opinion, then the thread will be ‘dead-horsed’. 

I don’t think this is in conflict with your desire for openness to hear what others have to say or to provide a place where people with genuine questions can seek answers.  If, for example, someone had a genuine question on the Creation v Evolution issue—a person who hadn’t already made numerous posts on that same issue—they could start a new thread and ask their question.  If it did get ‘dead-horsed’ early on, they would most likely be pointed to the previous threads where their issue/s has been well canvassed.

Don’t forget that a ‘dead horse’ thread can still be a place for vigorous discussion.  It just doesn’t appear on the ‘Latest Discussions’ list, thereby bumping some other more recent topic off the list.  But subscribers to that thread are still notified of new posts.

Regards,

Bob

Well Thank you all for explaining the Dead Horse thread.

So what do people think about the apology to Evolutionists not just by the Archbishop of Cantebury but the Pope as well.  I am surprised by two apologies in one year and just in time as the World celebrates 60 years of Evolution?

It grieves me to see God’s Word being denied by our Churches and the Intelligence of the World being embraced instead.

1CO 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

1CO 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength.