I find the whole tenor of your long post expressing your strong dislike of Driscoll bordering on offensive, as well as being guilty of caricature. Driscoll, like many preachers (including Jesus himself) at times says extreme things without adding qualifying comments. (Unlike Jesus, he sometimes gets it wrong, and when he sees this he repents and apologises.) His remarks about not being able to worship someone he could beat up fall into this kind of extreme category. To judge him in this regard you need to look at a broad sample of his preaching.
Do you really think that Driscoll doesn’t understand the vulnerability that Jesus embraced when he took on humanity, and when he allowed himself to be beaten and murdered, even though he could have called on 12 legions of angels to assist him? Have you listened to Driscoll preach on the cross? Your vitriolic comments have all the marks of someone who has made up their mind about another based on a knee-jerk reaction to minimal information.
One thing though - I can understand why Driscoll does appeal to people. In the contemporary world, people who believe in traditional gender roles can feel very insecure and alienated. Having someone who can affirm you and your beliefs can be very empowering.
One thing though - I can understand why Driscoll does appeal to people. In the contemporary world, people who believe in traditional gender roles can feel very insecure and alienated. Having someone who can affirm you and your beliefs can be very empowering.
Joshua
It’s a good thing to critique preachers, especially those who have a high public visibility. But how is it “brave” of Andrew to denigrate a man
Mark Driscoll is pathetic. In spite of all his bombast and goofy machismo, he is, in the last analysis a very sad, lonely person
or his entire ministry
What makes the world of Mark Driscoll so fascinating is not just that it insane (which it is), or that is so obviously the product of western culture rather than the Bible or the Christian tradition (which is clear). What is interesting about it is how utterly obvious it is that this world is a complete fabrication
on the basis of one small part of his teaching—actually, no, on the basis of an interview in a magazine!
If we have serious and thoughtful criticism of the teaching of Driscoll or others, let’s engage with them seriously and respectfully. But sneering at people is not bravery.
Bob
i never said that i hated him i said i do not like him.
there poeple in the church i do not like (Phillip Aspinall, Mark Driscoll and others) but i still love them as a brother and do anything for them for they do great things for the Lord
I don’t think I’d be juxtaposing Driscoll with Aspinall
Thank you for your honesty Andrew...but you are way wrong.
I’m grateful to God that there are men around (of which Mark Driscoll is only one) who are clearly and passionately articulating the ever true Gospel, without compromise, and lovingly for people who are going to hell lest they repent.
But you do realise he’s not Baptist right? So he can’t be that good can he?
I guess he would consider such garments surplice to requirements!
lol - as I head to the door ready to head to the city to burn my plastic Jesus ? BTW will they be available for sale at the foyer stall - along with some matches ?
I find the whole tenor of your long post expressing your strong dislike of Driscoll bordering on offensive, as well as being guilty of caricature. Driscoll, like many preachers (including Jesus himself) at times says extreme things without adding qualifying comments. (Unlike Jesus, he sometimes gets it wrong, and when he sees this he repents and apologises.) His remarks about not being able to worship someone he could beat up fall into this kind of extreme category. To judge him in this regard you need to look at a broad sample of his preaching.
Do you really think that Driscoll doesn’t understand the vulnerability that Jesus embraced when he took on humanity, and when he allowed himself to be beaten and murdered, even though he could have called on 12 legions of angels to assist him? Have you listened to Driscoll preach on the cross? Your vitriolic comments have all the marks of someone who has made up their mind about another based on a knee-jerk reaction to minimal information.
Bob
i think he over rated .
yes i have listened to Driscoll preach on the cross
Thank you for your honesty Andrew...but you are way wrong.
I’m grateful to God that there are men around (of which Mark Driscoll is only one) who are clearly and passionately articulating the ever true Gospel, without compromise, and lovingly for people who are going to hell lest they repent.
But you do realise he’s not Baptist right? So he can’t be that good can he?
Craig
stmarks.com.au
Well, he’s often come out and stated that he doesn’t agree with paedobaptism, so what is he? ;)
He’s certainly not episcopalian and doesn’t wear a dress when he preaches!
Oh… I heard he was tempted to do so once… as mockery of course
Hope to see you guys at Burn Your Plastic Jesus tonight fellas!
hmmm. it’s those suggestions of mockery that disturb (and offend) me.
It does sound to me like Driscoll thinks Christians should be strong and manly - not weak like, ooh, a King who was crucified. My understanding was that Jesus was about turning those kinds of things on their head - the meek will inherit the earth, it’s not about power in this world, etc. Instead Driscoll’s approach I think is a scary one for those men who are not tough and powerful like him; and I really don’t understand how women are meant to fit into such a scheme.
Why is it mockable (excuse the made-up word!) for men to wear ‘dresses’ when they preach? Is it because dresses represent femininity? Is it because wearing a dress (or something resembling a dress) makes men somehow weak? If so, I can’t help but feel that women are seen as less, as if they somehow fall short of some supposedly Christian masculine ideal.
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