Who is Jesus of Nazareth before announcement of gospel? 
07 August 2005 8:27am
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Dears in Christ,
History of Jesus life is a bit dark before announcement of gospel. When he was born from Mary, his spirit was Holy Spirit, not a common and usual as the others, then he supposed to be do miracles and heal the others and many other gifts even before his temptations in desert. On the other hand we know that the gospel which is in our hands as the New Testament was written by his disciples and they did not know their Lord before 30 years old.
As you see there is a gap here, we have an empty peace from the picture of Lord Life. But it is impossible, because the acts of Lord never are deficient. Then…What happened? Who did cut this peace of the picture?!
I tell you, we have to find the lost peace in another place.
Before talk about that, first come and see the importance of this peace better.
41So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.” 43When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!” (John 11)
When you are talking about the miracles of Lord Jesus, somebody ask you: who did really make alive the dead? Did Jesus make him alive himself? Or Father did, as you see that Jesus asks his heavenly Father to do that?! Sure, you will reply: Jesus by the Father’s permission. But he will make a doubt in you with another question:
Jesus was asking his Father before calling Lazarus and makes him alive, while if it was reverse, you could say that Jesus did make him alive, but he was not ordered to make him alive, but asked his Father to do this!!
Here you need other evidence, if you have not, you can not prove that Jesus did all these, but you have to accept that Father did himself! And then you have to accept that Father is our savior not Jesus?!!!
There is another powerful evidence, you can forget that if you are trying to be limited in Bible as the “only” Holy Book, but if you accept the other people and their gifts from Lord are as the same as of you , you can study Quran in these verses:
<And (make him) a messenger to the children of Israel: That I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I determine for you out of dust like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird with Allah’s permission and I heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allah’s permission and I inform you of what you should eat and what you should store in your houses; most surely there is a sign in this for you, if you are believers.> Quran 3-49
Dears in Christ,
If you pay more attention on the making a bird from dust then breathing into that, it will be remember you to the first steps of creation human by God. This is another secret for those who are believed in Jesus as a creator God. Breathing in a mass of dust is not a sign only for a messenger. As you can find in other verses in Quran, Abraham was about to do this too. Allah told him to kill 4 birds and mix the meat of them together and put peaces on the top of 4 mount and call them to come and they were again birds when he called them. But in this event, you can not see that Abraham is acting as the creator and also about the other messengers you can not find any sample of interacting with creator.
If we can accept that this verse (3-49) of Quran is really about the life of Jesus, we can see that there is a part of Jesus life which his disciples could not see and report for us. If you can accept that, then come and see another one: 
“He shall speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity. And he shall be of the righteous.” (Quran 3-46)
He is the one person in all history of human who did this, and Quran use a phrase for Jesus because of this miracle: Mother borne messenger and it means that he was messenger from the first day of birth.
What do you know about the Jesus of Nazareth from other Holy books? Help to light this if is important for you?!
yours in Christ

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22 August 2005 12:56am
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Dear in Christ,
Jesus could not do any sins, even before his temptations by Satan in desert, because he was not a human who had worn the divinity, but he was God who had worn humanity.
Before the gospel, he was a teacher of Laws, he did show us that before beginning our Holy life, in Holy Spirit, when we have not growth in spiritual life, when we are not mature and may be living with sins (I mentioned at the first that Jesus did not live with sins) we can not live without Laws. He did show to us that the Holy Laws are important before human coming in New Testament, and also, we need them before accept the New Testament. Because New Testament begins with the grace of Lord to set us free of sins, only because we confess that we could not do it by our efforts, this is not possible only after our trying for complete the Holy Laws. Jesus can not show this completely to us, because he can not do sins as we can do. His Holy personality was not accepted to do sin, and he could only confirm the Laws of torah to mention this fact to us in his action. As you remember he assert that the Law was fulfilled by him, why? Because he could do that and he lived as the Laws completely, as the spirit which is ruled on these Laws.
Jesus in about 30 years of his life, did show us that human can live as the God’s standards if he is born form Holy Spirit, but sinners can not understand this until they do this by themselves and find that they can not do it without born again from Holy Spirit. For this reason, every body has to pass this period, at least for a short time, because every body does sins before his holy life. It doesn’t mean that every body has to do the commandments as the Old Testament, but effort to do something is not as the same as does that completely.
For example tithing is a Law, somebody who can not understand that his life is for Jesus because Jesus has forgiven his sins, all of his properties have to be given to poor people who ask him, and this is the only way to give up completely to Lord. He can see in himself that can not obey the rule of New Testament, means the commandments that make him the child of God. In this case he has to obey the Law of Old Testament and give his tithing as the Holy Law which Jesus did teach to people before his gospel announcement. A person who can not accept that has to give one from 10 portion of his properties to God, for sure will not give a permission to his Lord for coming in his heart, and he will not do kind to his Lord, because he has not appreciated the worth of Jesus action on Cross. In this case he has not a completely salvation, however he will have this in future because his lovely friend, Jesus Christ.
This is the most important course which we can understand from the life of Jesus before gospel announcement.
Are you agree or disagree?
can you tell us another course in this period of life of Lord Jesus?
Yours in Christ
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